paul314 March 27, 2020 07:56 AM Folding propellers. On the one hand, really cool. On the other hand, do they make anyone else just a bit nervous? guzmanchinky March 27, 2020 09:06 AM It would be such fun to work somewhere like that. Peter Cary March 27, 2020 09:16 AM If the wing tip propellors are to capture energy from the wing tip vorticies it would seem logical to locate them where the vorticies occur; i.e. behind the wingtip. Dan_Linder March 27, 2020 11:49 AM @paul314 "Folding propellers [..] make anyone just a bit nervous?"(I am not an aeronautical engineer nor a composites/materials expert.)I assume the industry has a lot of experience with propellers on hinge joints from the helicopter industry if nothing else. I can't imagine the stress on those hinge pins and mechanism once spinning, and there are probably other areas where similar stresses are accounted for safely.The big difference here is that during a catastrophic failure of one of these 12 small propeller assemblies, there's a portion of time the failure could result in the pieces flying into the body of the aircraft. A worse case would be that the failure of a single prop would quickly throw that motor assembly into an off-balance situation, but sensors to detect that situation are probably already common.I would assume that a small sensor could be placed in key areas of the hub and joint to permit monitoring of a failure - even a simple embedded hair-thin wire could be used to break when a fracture starts to form, setting off alarms, stopping the engine, etc.But, I think there are two advantages this would have:1. There are 12 motors, so even when one does fail, you have 11 others to land safely with.2. The motors are electric so the emergency stop can be triggered in a few ways, one of the easiest is to cut or even reverse power when the fault is detected (only reverse until RPMs are safely lowered). TomMartin March 27, 2020 12:09 PM It would be great if little details such as how much, how many passengers and how long can it remain in the air on one charge were included in this write up. npco543 March 28, 2020 08:18 AM @paul314 Virtually no propeller airplane larger than small, private general aviation aircraft have fixed, solid propellers. Complex mechanisms allow the blades to be rotated to vary the pitch so as to decouple the thrust generation from the engine RPM. Dan_Linder offers helicopter rotors as even more complex examples of systems engineered to handle rotational and centrifugal stresses.Admittedly not folding, but these examples are evidence that engineering has addressed reliability in high-stress applications such as spinning propellers. Kpar March 28, 2020 08:41 AM Peter Cary, I thought exactly the same thing! christopher March 29, 2020 07:25 PM This entire design is backwards. Literally. Aren't NASA supposed to be air experts? Wings need undisturbed laminar flow to be efficient - putting the props in front destroys that. Props push air - causing low pressure in front, and high-pressure behind - to the most efficient way to mount them is behind - where the engine and cowling are in the low-pressure area causing least drag, and where nothing is in the way of the venturi-effect from the thrust going aft. Vorticies form behind as Peter said. Shorter Wings (as seen in the photo) = vastly reduced efficiency - everyone knows that. There are too many managers, and no experts, working on that project. "improve flight efficiency by 500 percent" ROFL. It looks like they read the maths backwards. 500% worse performance sounds about the right ballpark for all the mistakes they've made. Blake Patterson March 31, 2020 08:37 AM Peter Cary, my late father, who designed the Wingtip Vortex Turbine during his 35 year career at NASA Langley ( https://bytecellar.com/2011/04/28/my-dad-the-nasa-engineer-a-year-after-his-passing/ ), would agree -- if the point is for them to absorb energy from the vortex (while, more importantly, eliminating said vortex, the main cause of induced drag on an aircraft ). These look like pusher motors to me, though -- the main motors on the plane. If that's the case, then the position would seem less relevant, but I would agree that a configuration of pusher motors with the turbine at the rear (behind the wingtip) would be more ideal. I'm not sure why this configuration was chosen. I wish my father were around to discuss this today, it would make for a fascinating conversation on the topic. vep March 31, 2020 12:08 PM Armchair aerodynamicists are the worst. folding propellers - especially small ones - are simple, reliable, and common on motorized gliders, ram-air-turbines, model aircraft and drones. redundancy from multiple small motors makes this low-risk. mechanically this is far simpler than normal airplanesthe wintip propellers are not to capture energy from the vortices - they are definitely adding energy! they do not have to literally be in the vortex - being ahead is fine, the flows will superimpose - and they are assuredly pulling, not pushing since the blades are, like, in front of the motor -- not that it matters.this is an experimental plane, passenger capacity and flight duration just don't matter at all.christopher, maybe the actual engineers at NASA know more than you - the arrogance in your post is astonishing - are you a child?. here's a tip: short/long is all relative, it's aspect ratio that matters and these are very high aspect ratio and are very efficient.