Peter Winquist June 6, 2011 09:16 PM Is it true therefore that CPT would demand that the H anti-proton should immediately disappear from our frame of reference ? (Since we\'re watching it get \'younger\'...) And that a lifetime of 1000 seconds would mean CPT does not hold true ? Adrien June 7, 2011 12:52 AM whilst it seems physicists won\'t rule out things going backwards in time on physical grounds, I\'m happy to personally rule it out on logical grounds. jjgg38 June 7, 2011 03:42 AM \"Being able to keep the anti-atoms trapped for such a relatively long period should also allow them time to relax into their ground state. This, in turn, should allow the team to make precise measurements needed in order to study a symmetry called CPT. According to the theory, \"a particle moving forward through time in our universe should be indistinguishable from an antiparticle moving backwards through time in a mirror universe.\" While this is thought to be a rule followed by nature, it may in fact turn out not to be the case.\" There are several unchecked assumptions in the structure of science, and the idea that time is a thing, and therefore reversible, is one of them. The problem is that these assumptions become so embedded that they assume the status of unquestioned and unquestionable fact, which are articles of faith, which reduce science to the status of a religion. In this case, there is a simple progression of logic that clears up the problem. Go back in time (in your mind, please), and arrive at a situation in which there is no regular interaction of form on any level. All interaction is random. Tell me how you would \"measure time\" in that situation. You can not. As an observer, you can only say that one event has taken place before another, not \"how long\" before. Consider this deeply enough and you realize that clocks of all types rely entirely on regular interaction of forms, be they atoms in a lattice or whatever. Therefore, what a clock actually does is NOT measuring time, it is creating intervals of greater or lesser similarity, and counting them. Clocks do not MEASURE anything. What, then, is time? Nothing more or less than a name for a process that depends on regular interaction of form. Time by itself, as a thing, does not exist. Therefore, \"travelling back in time\" is an oxymoron, an impossibility. Events progress in an elegant parade in only one direction. This understanding raises another interesting question. How can we be so sure that our projections of the progress of the first \"moments\" of the \"big Bang\" are actually meaningful? Since our concept of time as something that exists as a thing is so strongly embedded, we automatically assume that we can meaningfully project the theories of the \"Big Bang\" backward into the merest picoseconds and femtoseconds of the process. However, since the chaotic period did not end until quite a while after the \"beginning\", we actually have no reason to think that the whole process did not take years or milennia instead of seconds and picoseconds. We could base some assumptions on the formation of first stars and rates of expansion, but does our set of assumptions actually mask other processes that may have taken place? In closing, I think that \"time\" is best understood by analogy to \"shadow\". Both are real in a sense, but both are obviously not \"things\". They are the result of interactions of things. Reversing time is like having a shadow in your pocket. Shades of the Beatles on the Sea of Green. \"Oive got a \'ole in me pocket\". Australian June 7, 2011 05:39 AM From Wiki: \"With a budget of 7.5 billion euros (approx. $9bn or £6.19bn as of Jun 2010), the LHC is one of the most expensive scientific instruments ever built.\" CERN has 7 key projects. If the decelerator took it\'s fair share that\'s $1.286B. 1000 seconds of antimatter is then worth over $1M a second. Sure these are porrly constructed sums. Sure there are lots of people employed here. Sure there is a remote possibility of some discovery of a scientific nature. Don\'t get me wrong, I love science - and this is a really cool (pun intended) scientific toy. But somehow I think humanity could benefit a lot more if this money being used to eliminate disease and poverty rather than examining the deep realms of physics. We are so keen to discover the undiscovered, we have forgotten who we are. Jacob Shepley June 7, 2011 07:18 AM ^^ then get the US to stop funding its military. Surely you cannot believe cutting funds for science before military is a better option for humanitarian reasons. Cowfy Kaufman June 7, 2011 11:50 AM stop funding the military? ok then the nutjobs take over.no science.no coexistence.no nuthin. thats a fantasy but funding scientific projects should be used for the benefit of mankind. KMH June 7, 2011 12:53 PM @jigg38... Back in time is the same as east in time. It\'s a perception we\'ve designed to make communication easier. So who can say that perception of a chain of events (\"time passing\") in one direction isn\'t the same as one passing in another direction? If matter passes through time in one direction, maybe anti-matter passes through time not in a negative direction, but in a different direction. Maybe even a parallel one. Slowburn June 7, 2011 01:22 PM jjgg38 - June 6, 2011 @ 11:42 pm PDT--- That is one theory of time, there are others. Disprove that we are all faultlessly psychic, and profoundly amnesic, and time moves in the opposite direction than we think it does. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The ability to contain Antimatter, brings us a step closer to using it as an industrial fuel. epochdesign June 7, 2011 02:30 PM Thank you jjgg38, Australian and Jacob! Whether it be theoretical physics, war or the conquest of space, why man insists on wasting so much time, resource and money on this type of superfluous crap is mind blowing. We could do so much good in the world, if we could only pull our heads out. Thom Delahunt June 7, 2011 03:15 PM but would the progression of time in a mirror universe be perceived as a regression of time in this universe?