Synchro April 25, 2014 12:30 PM Given these stats, I wonder if there's a market for 'headless' helmets that include a chin bar but are open on top. Might make you look like some kind of weird techno-monk...I can sympathise with the need for a chin bar - yesterday I crashed my mountain bike pretty badly and took the impact on the side of my (open face) helmet, cheekbone, jaw and chin - it almost looks like someone painted a chin bar on half my face using blood and gravel :). Daishi April 25, 2014 03:54 PM I love this idea and Synchro, I think maybe Bane had something like that. Daishi April 25, 2014 09:01 PM The helmet is based on this graphic that came out of the Hurt Report: http://i.imgur.com/HCOBK5x.gifThere are actually 2 numbers missing 5.5% and 4.4% for the right and left sides of the visor. When you add up the 8 numbers that make up the left and right sides of the face area there is a 63.6% chance of hitting face first. If people choose not to wear helmets I'm not going to tell them what to do but personally I wear a full face helmet even if I'm going a block only because if I didn't wear a full face helmet I would still have to wear eye protection for bugs/dust.I remember my brother got on his dirtbike without a helmet exactly once to drive up the road and turn around to test a new set of handlebars. On his way back our dog that was chasing him came out of a corn field in time to intersect his path he crashed. The dog always chased him but he didn't usually turn around and come back there. Sometimes even the short trips you don't think matter are the ones that matter the most. nutcase April 26, 2014 03:47 AM The main argument against full face helmets is that it is difficult to administer CPR, oxygen etc in an emergency. Removing a full face helmet from an accident victim may exacerbate spinal and head injuries. The possibility that heavy headware can precipitate spinal injuries is real. Synchro April 26, 2014 03:29 PM @Nutcase: no. The Hurt report also found that there was no evidence to suggest that any additional injuries were caused by additional weight of a helmet.If you are in an accident serious enough that you're going to need your helmet cut off, chances are you'd be dead if you'd not been wearing one, so I'd say injuries from removal, if they exist, are moot. I also guess that any ambulance crew will have equipment capable of removing a helmet with minimal movement. Daishi April 26, 2014 04:12 PM @nutcase arguing that helmets are less safe than not wearing helmets is like arguing that you are safer by not wearing a seatbelt. Sure there are cases but the statistics point to you being much less safe without a helmet than with one: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/03/31/science/motorcycle-helmet-laws.htmlIf you are injured badly enough in an accident that CPR is needed to save you, you are in pretty serious trouble. CPR mostly only works in the movies. "The actual adult survival rate from out-of-hospital cardiac arrest is about 5-10%." (source: http://heartcentertraining.com/blog/top-10-cpr-myths/) If someone wants to debate the lack of need for a helmet because they are placing only themselves in danger that's their right but I disagree when you make the case that not wearing a helmet is any safer. Per vehicle mile traveled, motorcyclists are about 35 times more likely than passenger car occupants to die in a traffic crash. For unhelmeted rider head injury was the most common cause of death and helmets reduce the odds of death by almost 40% (source http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/810990.pdf) Even if you don't die in the accident hitting your face to pavement is like taking a watermelon to a belt sander. Personally, I think the difference in survival for unhelmeted riders when all other factors are the same is even lower than the statistics imply. Many riders of super sports wear helmets but they also tend to be less experienced and drive at higher speeds vs the safer speeds associated with the more frequently helmetless "harley" guys. As it stands now the higher accident survival rate actually belongs to the group most commonly associated with inexperience and reckless driving habits. Ozuzi April 27, 2014 10:55 PM "The actual adult survival rate from out-of-hospital cardiac arrest is about 5-10%." (source: http://heartcentertraining.com/blog/top-10-cpr-myths/) "I heard that this number is due to the number of people who receive CPR being less that 20%. Still, you aren't going to get Any help if your face is hamburger Τριαντάφυλλος Καραγιάννης April 28, 2014 09:38 AM While I own two full-face helmets, for in-town use I strongly resent not having bought a flip-up helmet the second time around.The major disadvantage of full-face helmets for me is not being able to be heard. It's like wearing a big muffler in your mouth. WHEN people can hear you, it's very likely they can't do so *clearly* (and I am a loud- and clear-voiced person).In a great many situations it makes things a lot easier and safer (and more subtle) if you can speak or shout rather than beep the horn.Solution: for many quick trips around the city center, the helmet unfortunately stays IN the box. mookins April 28, 2014 01:22 PM 'Squid' refers to the way they move: like a squid, just jetting off in each new direction, no graceful arcs; so a magazine said anyway. Scooter_Guy April 28, 2014 03:32 PM I'm an ATGATT rider. As an IT Professional, I have to talk for a living. I wear a full face modular helmet to protect my jaw, armored jacked and abrasion resistant riding pants every time I get on the scoot. This has also made the wife much more accepting of my scooters. I'll never be cool enough for a crotch rocket, but if Honda ever decides to import the Integra scooter to the US, I'm all over it!