Robert Walther October 21, 2016 04:48 AM Still early in the startup learning process. Maximum safety evolution will only occur when all vehicles, automated or not, have ID markers, e.g. RFID location beacons with a multitude of identifiers and response features. Probably a cell phone, identifier app as well. Manufacturers' clothing labels to cover un-celled pedestrians. email@example.com October 21, 2016 07:08 AM With all respect for Tesla, but their latest marketing bullet point that all vehicles will have the hardware but not yet the software, is very worrisome. First of all, how do they know what hardware will be needed while the system is still being developed and (maybe?) even be validated? The tests might show that the sensors and processing needs are insufficient (the earlier Tesla accident with the truck confirmed this). Secondly, it clearly shows that the software is far from ready. And they want to upload that software over the air? Thirdly, it clearly shows a lack of understanding how safety critical systems are developed . Marketing should follow engineering and not the other way around. Brian M October 21, 2016 07:29 AM Of course the good old human driver has even worse problems with our two wheeled driving brethren!Once the technology reaches the top level of auto-drive, then motorcyclists, cyclists and pedestrian are likely to be a lot safer in the mean time the Tesla is an assistive technology (and a very useful one), but not fully autonomous. Tesla really needs to alter their marketing to make this clearer. Joe Blough October 21, 2016 11:44 AM The carnage of self driving has yet to begin. The real world of road conditions, traffic and pedestrians is chaotic. It is hubris of gargantuan proportions to assume that sensors will detect and deal with everything. Cameras blinded by sprayed mud from a passing truck, whiteouts, and more will kill and maim people who think their automobile is in control. Children will need to be managed by robotic controls so they don't run into a street and much much more. As the technology rolls out a growth industry will be the lawyers suing over mishandled situations resulting in injury and death. Driver assist makes sense, dedicated lanes for self driving make sense, but relax and let the car do it is a safety fantasy. Florida Rj October 21, 2016 02:14 PM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFHpxSxLSQMThere it is in plain sight...Teslas have no problems at all seeing motorcycles. Bob Flint October 21, 2016 02:14 PM There never will be "ALL" vehicles, certainly not in our, or our grandchildren's life times. The slow & expensive both in resources & lives evolution may eventually come to a middle ground whereby the additional low light & infrared sensors and auto braking systems become fairly common in many but not all vehicles. The motorcycles and trikes and various other custom vehicles abound. Does everyone really believe our freedom to break traffic laws will disappear, not happening even now the current models of all manufacturer's still allow speeds WAY beyond 60mph. This will never change, and the downgrading of society to a set speed and travel laws is suppose to come from the manufacture's but they won't because it won't sell.....ie; Google's little bug puttering along at a anemic 30mph or less...But the maintenance of all the systems and ALL the vehicles is paramount to the overall functionality of the system wle October 21, 2016 03:01 PM geez - it can;t handle ANY special cases.. Timelord October 21, 2016 08:21 PM You naysayers are hilarious. You remind me of the president of IBM, who said he thought there was a market for maybe five computers on the entire planet. Or the founder of Digital Equipment Corporation, who said people wouldn't want computers in their homes. Or Bill Gates, who thought the Internet was a fad. Or Steve Ballmer, who assured everyone that the iPhone was going to bomb big-time. Self-driving cars are coming no matter what you say, and the shortsighted will be left eating their dust. Martin Winlow October 22, 2016 06:07 AM Do these motorcycling organisations write to their goverment everytime a motorcyclist is rear-eneded? I guessing not and so why on this occasion when the fault for the accident (as far as we know) lies firmly at the door of the *driver* of the Tesla? (It may, of course be no fault of the Tesla/driver at all - we all know how dangerous some motorcyclists' riding can be). @'Joe Blough' - "... to assume that sensors will detect and deal with everything." Yeah, right. Like human drivers do, I suppose? Like it or not autonomous driving is coming and coming *very* soon. It is in everyones interests and the money to be made and saved (let alone the enormous drop in deaths and injuries from collisions) far outweighs the anachronistic attitudes of a few luddites. Martin Winlow October 22, 2016 06:39 AM @ Bob Flint - Your writing style is very odd! Several of your sentences appear to be missing a word or two such that they make no sense. Do you not proof-read before hitting the 'submit' button?Anyway... I'm afraid you just don't appear to get it. Motor vehicle autonomy has little to do with some of the points you mention and the exact opposite implications to several others.Of course there will always be vehicles that are not autonomous (although I can see a time when all vehicles on certain types of roads *must* be autonomous-capable or they simply won't be permitted on them). It is all about freeing people up from the drudgery of being stuck behind the wheel not controlling them. It is also about taking the bad/unsociable human elements out of driving so that it is safer and more pleasant for all (including pedestrians and fauna, too, FTM). So much so that one obvious implication of widespread autonomy would be a raising of the motorway speed limit for example, or even the removal of it altogether.Much more important than the question of *should* it happen (because it is going to and very, very soon) is the question of what effect on our society will it have - aside from a 90% drop in deaths and injuries on our roads. For example, 75% of the cost of running a bus is down to the driver and fuel (TFL figures). An autonomous electric bus, then, could be free for passengers to use within existing subsidies (or very nearly so). Imagine the effect of that on not just towns and cities but even more interestingly on rural communities. Add to that the notion that almost all taxis could be autonomous, not to mention freight trucks and the next obvious question is going to be "What's going to happen to all those lost driver jobs?" And then there is the question of the legal ramifications of when it does all go wrong.@wlw - It isn't supposed to handle 'special' cases or, indeed, any cases - That's *the drivers job*. Hasn't all the publicity over this issue sunk in yet?Besides, your dismal attempt at punctuation renders anything that you have to say automatically irrelevant.