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V2G system sucks energy out of parked EVs to supply the grid

V2G system sucks energy out of parked EVs to supply the grid
Instead of just sitting idle, electric vehicles parked at airports or left overnight at hotels could feed the municipal grid from their battery packs, then charge up before they're needed
Instead of just sitting idle, electric vehicles parked at airports or left overnight at hotels could feed the municipal grid from their battery packs, then charge up before they're needed
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Instead of just sitting idle, electric vehicles parked at airports or left overnight at hotels could feed the municipal grid from their battery packs, then charge up before they're needed
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Instead of just sitting idle, electric vehicles parked at airports or left overnight at hotels could feed the municipal grid from their battery packs, then charge up before they're needed

Electric vehicles already solve a lot of problems: they reduce our dependence on gas and help reduce emissions. At the same time, EVs are a major source of electricity consumption, and most existing electricity grids were simply not designed for this level of demand. That creates new challenges, but what if EVs could also become part of the solution to this same problem?

Electric cars are basically batteries on wheels, but they spend countless hours just sitting in parking lots. So why should they only consume electricity? Why couldn’t they also work as giant power banks and supply some of that stored energy back to the grid?

Well, they actually can, and this is exactly the idea behind a project called DriVe2X, developed by European energy companies and researchers.

Even though it sounds almost futuristic, the concept has already been tested in real-world settings – in the airport in the Portuguese city of Porto, and in a couple of hotels on the Isle of Wight in England. There are a few nuances to it, though, and we’ll get to those in a moment.

So, what exactly would that look like? Let’s take a hotel as an example. Hotels, as well as airports, are perfect places to test this technology because their electricity usage follows quite predictable patterns.

Let’s say you drive your EV around all day and return to the hotel in the evening. You plug it in overnight, as you’re not going to use it until the next morning. Around dinnertime, most guests are back at the hotel. They are turning on lights and TVs and taking showers, while the kitchen is busy preparing food. Electricity demand is at its peak.

Now imagine that instead of getting all that electricity from the grid and putting pressure on the electricity system, the hotel could use some of the energy stored in the electric vehicles parked outside. The EVs basically become temporary batteries for the hotel. Later at night, energy demand is much lower and electricity may be cheaper, so the cars can be recharged in time for the morning.

What’s still limiting this idea is the need for bidirectional charging technology. The EVs need to support bidirectional charging, and compatible chargers simply need to be available on-site to provide this option.

“In theory, every electric vehicle is bidirectional. In practice, however, the number of vehicles that are actually compatible is still very limited. While there is already an open communication standard for bidirectional charging (ISO 15118-20), many manufacturers do not yet follow it strictly or implement it consistently, which creates interoperability challenges,” explains Samuel Matias, an R&D Project Manager at Portuguese energy company EDP.

In the future, if these technical and regulatory limitations can be overcome, the technology could extend far beyond hotels and airports. DriVe2X sees potential applications in mobility hubs, apartment buildings, and single-family houses.

Source: DriVe2X

9 comments
9 comments
Nobody
Sounds like a setup to me. Batteries have a limited number of charges and discharges. Who is going to know how much energy gets stolen from your car or how much it reduces your battery life. Any time someone else has control, you can bet on getting the short end of the deal. They make it sound like a good thing but just skimming off a few kilowatts from each car would quickly add up. Just like siphoning off a few gallons of gas from every gas car and not telling you. I might buy a hybrid someday but never an all electric car that plugs directly into the grid.
yawood
I see that as being very useful in your own home. In the evening when you are running stoves, lights, TVs etc it could take power from the car to save on grid power. Then, after you are asleep and the house is not using much power, the car can be recharged ready for the morning. I'm not sure I like the idea of a hotel or other body taking my power without my knowledge.
Bodger
What a concept! Maybe the hotels, etc. could siphon fuel out of conventional vehicles belonging to their guests. A great cost saving to be had there, eh?
Username
The gas analogy is flawed since the hotel puts back the electricity. However batterie cycle life would be affected and the possibility that the cars wouldn't be fully recharged when a customer leaves in the morning would cause some problems. There is no benefit to the car owner.
gep
Yeah this is nonsense. If a hotel chooses to install their own batteries or generator to alleviate some of these issues that's fine, but in reality there needs to be a better way to store energy and better battery technology. Borrowing it from customers isn't a solution since it compromises the consumer too much. Maybe the hotel or airport can use their own renewable energy to pump water up a hill for storage.
paul314
I'm not too worried about battery issues, since this would be level 2 in both directions, but there would have to be something in it for the drivers. The hotel and the electric utility both profit, so some cut of that should go to the owners of the batteries.
I also wonder how many EVs it would take to make a significant dent in the power needs of a large hotel. If you have hundreds of rooms plus all the restaurants and public spaces, drawing just a few kw from each EV would likely require similar hundreds of EVs, which is a lot of charging ports thatl likely otherwise wouldn't be needed.
PAV
And does that mean you get free parking? I know here in San Diego people pay like $60 a night just to park their vehicle! It's an old guy like me that is outrageous! I remember paying $60 a night and get free parking but then again I am old. Why is everything so expensive these days?
jzj
Short term borrowing of some battery storage capacity is already an existing reality for residential storage, and doing this with EVs is just an extension (and EVs have larger battery packs which means a greater buffer). The energy is replaced, it just let's the grid get through a low-reserve patch of time without having to fire-up dirty peaker plants. It is an occasional event, it is gentle on batteries, and the owners are well-rewarded. To put this into perspective, the total EV fleet in the U.S. has over 500 GWh of battery energy storage, and that's TEN TIMES the total U.S. utility battery energy storage -- using EV storage would save every utility-user a lot of money in not having to build new storage that'll rarely be fully utilized.
ReservoirPup
The standard must be already implemented everywhere. The technicalities will be worked out. Been using BEVs for years and am sure it will be useful for everyone involved.