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Segway announces ultra-futuristic Apex H2 hydrogen-powered motorcycle

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The outrageous Segway Apex H2 - a hydrogen-hybrid sports motorcycle
The outrageous Segway Apex H2 - a hydrogen-hybrid sports motorcycle
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The outrageous Segway Apex H2 - a hydrogen-hybrid sports motorcycle
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The outrageous Segway Apex H2 - a hydrogen-hybrid sports motorcycle
Decent performance figures should make this mildly entertaining to ride
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Decent performance figures should make this mildly entertaining to ride
Single-sided swingarms always look great from the high side, and these two are no exception
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Single-sided swingarms always look great from the high side, and these two are no exception
The left side of the bike doesn't look too bad either, considering how much engineering must be in that front swingarm and steering arrangement. Let's wait and see how it looks in production
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The left side of the bike doesn't look too bad either, considering how much engineering must be in that front swingarm and steering arrangement. Let's wait and see how it looks in production
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Segway-Ninebot has rather sensationally announced that it's building a hydrogen fuel cell sportsbike – and boy does this thing look like it glitched its way out of Cyberpunk 2077, complete with a highly improbable steering design and an amazing price.

Here's what we know so far: Segway has been playing with performance bikes a little bit lately to go with its lineup of cheap electric scooters, mainly sold in China. The Apex was announced in 2019, a slightly gawky looking battery-electric "super scooter" capable of 125 mph (200 km/h), with full sportsbike fairings.

Now, there's an Apex H2 coming, which will run a hydrogen-electric hybrid powertrain – gaseous hydrogen stored in tanks will be converted into electrical energy through a fuel cell and fed into a buffer battery, which will power an electric motor that drives the rear wheel in some way or another – we can't see whether there's a chain drive or a hub motor or what indeed is going on in these renders. Yes, that's an exhaust port in front of the rear wheel, but all that'll be coming out of it is water vapor.

Segway has put the following figures on it: 60 kW (80 hp), which should be a decent enough bit of poke, 150 km/h (~90 mph), which is a fairly unexciting top speed, and a sub-four-second 0-100 km/h (0-62 mph) time that sounds about right. The other key number here is CN¥69,999 – the price, which translates to about US$10,700 and seems insanely cheap for such a pioneering vehicle.

Decent performance figures should make this mildly entertaining to ride
Decent performance figures should make this mildly entertaining to ride

Part of what makes this bike look so outrageously next-gen is its rude lack of suspension forks. Instead, the front wheel looks like it's floating on air, thanks to a single-sided front swingarm and hidden monoshock arrangement, to match the single-sided swingarm at the back. Both wheels appear to have a large cover over the right side.

It looks absolutely wild, with the often-cumbersome steering system hidden away under the front fairings and the handlebars poking out of holes in the side of the "tank" section. It'll also be a pain in the bum to engineer, because that front swingarm not only needs to handle suspension, but steering (which can get sloppy on these kinds of designs, with their multiple linkages) and braking, which needs to fit somewhere too.

Still, if it comes out looking anything like these renders, this thing will be a winner from day dot, even if there aren't a ton of fueling stations around yet for hydrogen vehicles, depending on where you live. It just looks too damn cool not to do well. Even the left hand side of the bike looks pretty good.

The left side of the bike doesn't look too bad either, considering how much engineering must be in that front swingarm and steering arrangement. Let's wait and see how it looks in production
The left side of the bike doesn't look too bad either, considering how much engineering must be in that front swingarm and steering arrangement. Let's wait and see how it looks in production

And it gets us to thinking: could hydrogen motorcycles be a thing? Batteries seem destined to reign supreme in the passenger car market; lithium ion cells can get the job done pretty well at this point, and they stand to improve in the future. But other types of vehicles will never work with batteries: long-haul electric aviation and shipping, for example, need energy storage systems that can flat out carry more electrons, and in these markets, hydrogen looks like it might find a place.

But what about motorcycles? Well, maybe there's a case for H2 on two wheels. Electric motorcycles are already stellar commuting options, but for sports and pleasure riding, most riders want something they can either tool around on all day, or fill up quickly at a fuel station. Battery-electric motorcycles, ridden hard, tend to run out of juice long before their gasoline brethren start flashing their reserve lights, and not everyone wants to sit around for an hour while their bike charges back up at some distant charge station.

Hydrogen has two advantages here: it offers much higher energy density than lithium batteries, and you can fill up your tank about as quickly as the gas tank on your GSX-R, provided there's a hydrogen station nearby. Leaving aside the fact that there's probably not at this point, an H2 motorcycle should offer more range on a tank than most battery bikes on a charge, and let you fill up and hit the road again quick smart.

Single-sided swingarms always look great from the high side, and these two are no exception
Single-sided swingarms always look great from the high side, and these two are no exception

Segway has not released any tank size, weight or range figures for the Apex H2. Those will tell us plenty about how well the hydrogen tank, fuel cell, buffer battery and assorted sundries package up in a motorcycle frame, and we'll be able to see how the weight is affected. These, plus an impression of how the thing is to live with, will give us a good idea whether hydrogen has a future here. Barring some impressive leaps in battery performance, hydrogen may eventually prove a very handy way of decarbonizing the sports and touring motorcycle markets, leaving batteries to more practical daily commuting use.

Segway says it'll be launching a crowdfunding campaign for these bikes, once it's got 99 orders to get started with – that's best I can tell from the incredibly dodgy translation tool I've had to use to get information out of Segways' Chinese website. Deliveries are expected to begin in 2023. Honestly, at less than 11K US for a bike so unique and striking, I can't say I'm not tempted. Even if there's nowhere I can fill it up, I kinda want it in the shed.

Source: Segway via Rideapart

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9 comments
guzmanchinky
Very Tron looking, and moving the ball forward is good news no matter what you think of the Hydrogen economy model...
Mayakovski
If they can bring this to market with the same specs and price it will be a very big seller. I know I will be in line.
Kevin Ritchey
Before anything, the hydrogen infrastructure needs to exist or this is a pipe dream. Please do it!
Spud Murphy
There is no way they will produce this for that price, it's totally unrealistic. Fuel cell vehicles are expensive to manufacture, why bother when there are already battery-only bikes with vastly better specs than this? And with an electric bike you can fill up anywhere, with a hydrogen bike, you can fill up practically nowhere.

And, given that almost all H2 comes from methane, and the low efficiency of the hydrogen fuel cycle, you will be better off sticking with a petrol bike if CO2 reduction is your goal. Hydrogen is NOT a means to decarbonisation until all hydrogen produced is green, not grey.

Besides, who wants to ride around with a hydrogen tank pressurised to 10,000psi between their legs? You'd have to be a special kind of crazy to want to do that.

Hydrogen is a greenwashing distraction in the move to BEVs, it's pretty sad to see an established company like Segway get caught up in the hype, but they are not alone, just look at Toyota, Hyundai and numerous others, most of which have realised the folly of H2 and shifted to BEVs instead.
Propfan
@spud
No matter how many times anyone writes about how bad they think Hydrogen is for transportation, it continues to advance and thus eventually become dominate. The valid message sent on not enough fueling stations is only temporarily true as the number of stations increases helped by H2 vehicles creating the demand. When they are as beautiful as this bike I can imagine homemade H2 becoming an added source just to go for a ride.

The points made in NewAtlas previously stand;
https://newatlas.com/marine/yanmar-prototype-hydrogen-fuel-cell-boat-tested/

Again in summary, for all forms of transportation, there is a point based on speed and distance where a hydrogen fuel cell is cheaper and also a point where achieving a design goal is impossible with batteries.
Nelson Hyde Chick
I just bought a Zero, wish this had been available.
Sys Ati
Total bull... / marketing campain :(
Don't forget the SurRon developped LightBee best seller bought by Seagway a year ago and transformed into the Seagway X 160 / X260. You cannot buy any of them on the Seagway website anymore. That was last year's buzz, this one is next year's :(
Spud Murphy
Sorry Propfan, you are still kidding yourself, hydrogen is too expensive, too inefficient, and always will be. I'm tired of trying to explain this to hydrogen cultists, just look at the history of hydrogen, H2 pushers have been trying to make it mainstream for 40 years and where are we? Oh, that's right, it has failed everywhere it has been introduced. Why? Because, aside from the inefficiency of the fuel cycle, the high cost of fuel, and the high cost of HFCVs compared to all other vehicles, the cost of infrastructure is so high that no-one wants to pay for it. You are looking at several million $ for every refuelling station, compared to a few thousand or tens of thousands for each EV fuelling station. Look at the situation in the UK, the number of refuelling points has actually decreased in the last decade.

You can keep telling yourself that H2 is going to become dominant, but the fact is that, over the last several decades, it has failed miserably to do so. On the other hand, there are literally millions of pure BEVs on the road, and virtually all of those in the last 10 years. And batts just keep getting better and cheaper. How is H2 ever going to compete with that?

So, to make it simple for you, here's why BEVs have already won:
- BEVs are approaching price parity with ICE and will reach parity in a few years at most
- FCV are expensive to make compared to BEVs, they will never be cheaper
- BEVs run on the cheapest fuel available, FCV run on the most expensive. That won't change as BEV fuel is the foundation of our modern society, and using BEV fuel to make FCV fuel is inefficient, so therefore FCVs will always cost more to drive - basic physics, you can't get around it.
- BEV charging times are approaching that of ICE, there are BEVs that can now go from 10-80% in 18 mins, barely enough time for a pee break and to get a cuppa. And, it's still getting faster. But, 90% of charging is done at home, so the charging speed point is mostly moot anyway for most owners, especially as street chargers become more common
- BEVs are far safer, the worst you can get in a BEV is a battery fire, and even then they are rare. The worst you can get in a FCV is a battery fire that ignites the H2, or a H2 leak that gets ignited another way, resulting in a detonation. Hydrogen detonates, it's what it does best
- FCV have higher maintenance requirements than BEVs, therefore cost more to keep on the road.

Refute away...
Hasler
Amazing to adopt the restricted lock and convoluted lingage with the horizontal front suspension rather than the lighter and far better double wishbone Hossack fork. Style comes first, it seems.